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[TSP_Strategy] Re: 10% Drop Coming?

[TSP_Strategy] Re: 10% Drop Coming?

 

I would think that as much as possible will be done to maintain stability in the market until after the election... after that all bets are off...  while there is a chance that there will be a strong positive movement immediately following the election, it is my intention to pick a time in the second half of October to move to G...  for me (just retired in January) this election is too close and the two support bases too polarized/opposite that it appears that whoever wins, a large group of people with strong emotions will be upset.  I plan on being safe, even if I might lose a little..  your mileage may vary...

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[TSP_Strategy] Re: 10% Drop Coming?

[TSP_Strategy] Re: 10% Drop Coming?

 

Higher interest rates help the G fund.

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[TSP_Strategy] Re: 10% Drop Coming?

[TSP_Strategy] Re: 10% Drop Coming?

 

We'll see.  Higher interest rates help neither stocks nor bonds.

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[TSP_Strategy] Re: 10% Drop Coming?

[TSP_Strategy] Re: 10% Drop Coming?

 

So it may be a good time to go to F? *;) winking

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[TSP_Strategy] September - Historical Worst Month

[TSP_Strategy] September - Historical Worst Month

 


Opinion: September is the worst month for U.S. stocks, and no one knows why

Published: Aug 30, 2016 8:34 a.m. ET

The Dow has fallen by an average of 1.1% since the late 1890s

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (MarketWatch) — September is an awful month for the U.S. stock market, regardless of how you slice and dice the data.

Since the Dow Jones Industrial Average was created in the late 1890s, September has produced an average loss of 1.1%. The 11 other months of the calendar, in contrast, have produced an average gain of 0.8%.

Furthermore, September's awful record can't be traced to just one or two terrible years. On the contrary, the month has an impressively consistent record at or near the bottom of the rankings.

"If a convincing explanation for the September effect were ever found ... the historical pattern would quickly disappear." Larry Tint, chairman of Quantal International

In fact, as you can see from the accompanying chart, September was a below-average performer in all but one of the dozen decades since the late 1800s. And in more than half of those decades, it was in 11th or 12th place in a ranking of monthly average performance.

Does this terrible track record mean you should "sell in September or get dismembered," to quote a clever phrase that hedge fund manager Doug Kass recently used in an email to followers?

I'm not so sure.

Awful as September's record is, bad stats are not, in and of themselves, sufficient reason to make portfolio changes. Correlation is not causation, after all. And, try as I might, I have yet to come across a plausible explanation for September's record.

And I have tried. Every year around this time, I have asked you to submit your hypotheses for why September should be so awful, and none that has been submitted up until now has been able to withstand statistical scrutiny.

(These are the most popular hypotheses: 1. Investors are more prone to sell stocks when they return from summer vacation; 2. Many mutual funds have fiscal years that end Sept. 30, leading them to engage in "window-dressing" during the month; and 3. Investors are forced to sell equities in September to pay the sky-high tuition bills they've just received from their kids' private schools and colleges.)

Some of you will take this discussion as a challenge to find the "real" explanation for September's dismal record, but Lawrence Tint advises you not to waste your time. Tint is the former U.S. CEO of Barclays Global Investors and currently chairman of Quantal International, a risk-management firm.

In an interview, Tint told me: "If a convincing explanation for the September effect were ever found, savvy investors would immediately begin jumping the gun by selling in August, others in turn would try to beat them, and the historical pattern would quickly disappear. Unless you or I are able to discover something nobody else knows about, by the time we know why a pattern exists, it's too late to profit from it."

In other words, two preconditions must hold in order for it to make sense to bet that September will continue to be awful for stocks. First, the month's dismal record has to be more than a mere statistical fluke of the historical data. Second, the reason for its terrible performance must remain a mystery.

Good luck with that.

To be sure, there may be other good reasons to avoid the stock market in coming weeks. In fact, I've suggested a couple in recent columns — everything from excessive bullish exuberance among market timers to an extremely overvalued stock market.

But note carefully that if you choose to act on those other reasons and build up a cash position in coming sessions, you will be doing so for reasons having nothing to do with the calendar soon to read "September."


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[TSP_Strategy] 10% Drop Coming?

[TSP_Strategy] 10% Drop Coming?

 

Opinion: Get ready for a 5%-10% stock-market drop

Published: Aug 30, 2016 10:14 a.m. ET

Why the market may fall 5%-10%, and what you should do to prepare

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Hold on: It could get a little rough for stock investors over the next two months or so.

If you have trades on that you've been thinking about selling, it's time to sell. If you have a lot of margin on, bring it down. If you have little buying power, find a way to raise some.

The reason: There's likely going to be a significant selloff over the next two months.

Of course, making short-term market prognostications isn't easy. Some say it's even a fool's errand.

It might be. But sometimes, the signals align to tilt the odds in favor of a market move. That's where we are now. I'm not predicting the start of a bear market. I think the U.S. and global economies will hold up. So I wouldn't sell medium-term stock positions — meaning stocks you plan on holding for a few years.

But near term, meaning over the next two months or so, it could get a little rough for stock investors. How bad?

"I think a 5% or 10% correction is likely," says Robert W. Baird chief investment strategist Bruce Bittles, who turned more cautious on the markets over the past few weeks.

Here are seven reasons the market looks vulnerable, and what you should do about it.

1. Investors seem too bullish again

Sadly, the crowd is often wrong in the market. And right now, the crowd is quite bullish. "Part of the problem here is a lot of optimism has come into the market in the past three weeks, and now we consider it pretty extreme," says Bittles.

There are many ways to measure investor sentiment. Here are a few data points that show investors have turned pretty bullish.

  • Investors Intelligence, which tracks Wall Street stock-letter writers, shows the share of bulls has risen to 57%. That's the highest reading since May 2015, and moves above 55% often suggest a near-term peak in stocks is at hand. Meanwhile, bears are at just 20%. The spread between bulls and bears is the widest since February 2015.
  • Surveys by the National Association of Active Investment Managers put exposure to stocks at 98%-99%. No investment managers reported a net short position in stocks. Bears have thrown in the towel.
  • The CBOE Volatility Index (VIX), the so-called "fear index," has been in the 11-13 range for most of August, signaling investor complacency. Generally, anything below 14 can be a bearish signal for stocks, because it signals too much complacency among investors.
  • Demand for put options (a bearish bet) is down relative to demand for calls (a bullish bet).

2. The media are turning bullish

Like investors, market commentators in the press often turn confident and bullish before bouts of weakness. So it's a bit troubling for longs that a recent New York Times "strategy" article made the case that stocks can move higher from here because Fed Chairwoman Janet Yellen is signaling interest-rate increases may be tame, and corporate earnings are going up again.

Both may be true. But where are the media commentators who were (wrongly) in full-fledge panic mode about Brexit a few weeks ago? Or about the outlook for stocks and the economy in January and February? Doubters are a lot more scarce in the media now. A recent Bloomberg article went as far as to say the currency traders "can't lose." Yikes. As a long, I'd prefer have a nice wall of worry in place for my stocks to climb. It will come back. But to get it back, we may need a good 5%-10% correction.

3. We are entering a seasonally weak period for stocks

Maybe it's because the weather turns cooler, putting people into harvest and storage mode — for stock market profits, as well. Maybe it's because of heavy mutual-fund tax-loss selling ahead of the Oct. 31 close of the tax year for most funds. (This is a separate issue from when they formally distribute those gains and losses to shareholders.)

For whatever reason, September and October can be trouble for stocks. September is the weakest month, and early to mid-October often brings the low point for the year. In short, the season of market ghosts and goblins is upon us, and they might spook investors yet once again.

Read Mark Hulbert: September is the worst month for U.S. stocks, and no one knows why

4. Elections can be harsh on stocks

September-October can be particularly rough on investors during presidential election years as voting day nears and debates heat up, point out Bittles. Post election, markets can tumble when the party in power changes. That's because markets prefer the status quo.

Donald Trump, the Republican candidate, may or may not turn out to be a good president, should most polls be wrong and he wins. Who really knows? But regardless of how that would ultimately work out, his election could shake up the stock market near term because of investor preference for the status quo.

Read: The stock market has already picked the next U.S. president

5. Insiders are too cautious

The ratio of insider selling to buying has risen to worrying levels. This ratio over the past eight weeks now stands at around 4, as tracked by Vickers Weekly Insider. Generally, anything over 2.5 signals caution for stocks. Here's another red flag from the insiders: The rate at which they are filing Form 144s with the Securities and Exchange Commission (which register restricted shares to enable selling) is at a level not seen since March 2015. "We remain on alert," says David Coleman, of Vickers Weekly Insider.

6. The market is losing momentum, and stocks look overbought

Technical analysis is more art than science and isn't foolproof. But it often works, and it's useful as a piece of any mosaic you build to form a market call. Right now several technical signals suggest the stock market is running out of steam.

On the simplest level, the S&P 500 SPX, -0.15%   has been stuck in a trading range for about a month. Next, during this time, the list of stocks setting new highs has been narrowing. This suggests a loss of momentum, says William Delwiche, an investment strategist at Robert W. Baird. Recent market highs "have not been confirmed by a higher high in momentum," he says. This tells us the recent rally is missing important underlying support.

And the TRIN, a volume-weighted advance-decline gauge that basically measures the "oomph" behind market moves, has been weak. The NYSE TRIN was recently at .55. Anything around .5 or below can be considered bearish for stocks.

7. Interest-rate fears could return

In her speech at Jackson Hole last week, Yellen made it clear that interest-rate hikes are definitely on the table for this year. "Indeed, in light of the continued solid performance of the labor market and our outlook for economic activity and inflation, I believe the case for an increase in the federal-funds rate has strengthened in recent months," she said.

I doubt the Fed would risk shaking up the markets just ahead of an election by raising rates at its Sept. 20-21 or Nov. 1-2 meetings. But anything it possible.

Even without a rate hike at those meetings, investors could get spooked enough about one to cause market damage. Yellen, for example, also made it clear in her speech that the Fed is as "data dependent" as ever. Thus a round of strong numbers on employment or inflation could put investors into a panic about a rate hike even before the elections -— whether it actually happens or not.

Read: Here's where every Fed official stands on interest rates after Jackson Hole

The bottom line

The good news is that market breadth, overall, remains pretty positive, says Bittles, suggesting any selloff will be contained.

And the U.S. and global economies seem unlikely to go into recession soon. So selling medium-term stock holdings seems unwarranted. I'd exit questionable trading positions here and look for other ways to raise cash.

It might also make sense to buy some ProShares VIX Short-Term Futures ETF VIXY, -0.80%   as insurance, or VelocityShares Daily 2x VIX Short Term ETN TVIX, -1.69% The second one is for the bold, since theoretically it moves twice as much.

These instruments go up when market selloffs occur, fear increases, and the VIX VIX, -0.08%  rises. So owning them can cushion your stock portfolio. Just remember that the way these instruments are constructed — through futures positions that have to be continually rolled over — they naturally decline in value over time. So, unlike stocks, they aren't buy-and-hold instruments.


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Re: [TSP_Strategy] What to do?

Re: [TSP_Strategy] What to do?

 

Wrong - overwhelmingly the evidence is against market timing!


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On Saturday, August 27, 2016, 9:05 PM, Gary tweet_pa@yahoo.com [TSP_Strategy] <TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Interesting article:

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On Aug 27, 2016 7:33 PM, "del brett bretdelman@msn.com [TSP_Strategy]" <TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

       With the buy and hold or bet and hope there is pretty much a fact, you are going to make money unless things change.   If you

happen to be lucky and get out of stocks and get back in stocks at the correct times you can make more money.   I made a profit of over

a quarter million in the tsp using the buy and hold and doubt that would of happened In the G or F fund or trying to time the market

by moving the money around.    I had a goal of having a million in tsp by the time I started withdraws and I doubt that is going to happen

since the economy has not been that good in the last 10 years in my opinion.  If I could have total gains of 100% in the next 12 years, the million could happen.

I don't think the average person needs any real help or smart moves or energetic effort to have a great tsp success.  So do you think buy and hold

of individual stocks or mutual funds will work, had a great success doing that also and spending the dividends and increasing my net worth most years.




From: TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com <TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Ray Quick mercuray1@gmail.com [TSP_Strategy] <TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com>
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Set and forget / buy & hold is the same as Bet & Hope.
That is not responsible way to manage hard earned assets.
Earning/saving takes smart, energetic efforts and luck. To the degree applied will determine success. 

It is an age old debate with both sides supported by history and many studies. The debate will never convince everyone, because it involves both subjective and objective rationales. So do your best and take your results. 

Do not go it alone. There is plenty of help available.

    Ray Quick  TSP Radar

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:38 PM, John toroboy682000@yahoo.com [TSP_Strategy] <TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Amen, set your asset allocation and re lax


On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Mark Del Pezzo markdelpezzo@yahoo.com [TSP_Strategy] <TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Amen, set your asset allocation and re balance periodically.


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On Thursday, August 25, 2016, 9:33 AM, Gary tweet_pa@yahoo.com [TSP_Strategy] <TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

That is the reason most advice is to not try to time the market.



On 8/25/2016 8:43 AM, KC Will kcwill64114@yahoo.com [TSP_Strategy] wrote:
 
I'm starting to think that staying in the S fund at all times is the best.

I made the switch to F with the group around the April timeframe but then in June, I went back to S Fund.  Using my number of shares, as of June, as a comparison, I have about $6,000 more dollars with the S Fund than if I had stayed in F.  Sadly before leaving the S fund originally back in April, I actually had about 500 more shares of S Fund than I do now.  I lost those shares when I sold and then bought back.  If I had never left S in the first place, I would have about $20,000 more dollars than if I have now.   At least I am still ahead than if I had stayed in F but I will be a bit more hesitant in the future to leave S.



From: "meco_man@yahoo.com [TSP_Strategy]" <TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com>
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Hello everyone when the group made the jump to the F I missed the move and therefore stayed in the S fund.  The market has been doing pretty good for the S thus far but we are nearing the whole election time and I see the market took a little dive today.  Does anyone have any suggestions for the next move? Don't want to loose all that nice gain I made.  Thanks




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Re: [TSP_Strategy] Which way did we go

Re: [TSP_Strategy] Which way did we go

 

F fund


On Aug 28, 2016 4:36 PM, "Jake Owens jake68bird@gmail.com [TSP_Strategy]" <TSP_Strategy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I am not sure what account we are in,  F or S now? Missed some emails I think. Can somebody clarify for me? Jake

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[TSP_Strategy] Which way did we go

[TSP_Strategy] Which way did we go

 

I am not sure what account we are in,  F or S now? Missed some emails I think. Can somebody clarify for me? Jake

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