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On Saturday, July 10, 2021, 11:55 AM, sarah_oz via groups.io <sarah_oz=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Leaving as Soon as You Can

By Tammy Flanagan

July 8, 2021

Last week, I wrote about leaving government now and retiring later. After more than a year without commuting, and after considering what's really important to them, some employees are considering leaving federal service early. It's important for them to weigh all of the possibilities. Among them is a unique option under the Federal Employees Retirement System that allows a worker to retire at their minimum retirement age with as little as 10 years of service.

Before you get too excited, you should know that this option comes with some significant drawbacks that should be considered before making the leap into early retirement. 

To be clear, the MRA+10 option, as it is known, is a reduced retirement, not the standard full FERS retirement. To qualify for an immediate, unreduced retirement, you would need 30 years of service or more if you were between your MRA and age 60, and at least 20 years of service at age 60 or 61. At age 62, only five years of creditable civilian service is required for an immediate unreduced retirement.

Under the MRA+10 option, only 10 years of service is needed to qualify for an immediate retirement if you're under age 62 (but you must be at least at your MRA at the time of your separation from federal service). To understand the difference between a reduced and an unreduced retirement, let's look at the following example:

Jason is 57 years old, and has 19 years of creditable service. By working longer, his high-three average salary will increase, which would have a positive impact on the value of his retirement benefit. But for the sake of simplicity, let's keep the high-three average for all of the scenarios involving his retirement options at $100,000.

Jason will be eligible to retire with an unreduced, immediate retirement at age 60 when he will have over 20 years of service. But Jason is eligible for an immediate, reduced MRA+10 retirement now. He also has a third option that's worth looking at: waiting until he's 62, when his FERS retirement benefit will begin to include cost-of-living adjustments and he's eligible for Social Security benefits.

Here are the calculations that are important for Jason to understand before he commits to retiring early:

Age 57: 19 years of service x 1% x $100,000 = a benefit of $19,000 per year, or $1,583 per month. But If Jason applies for this benefit at 57, it will be reduced by 5% for every year he is under 62. So the cut will be 25%, to $1,187 a month. To avoid some or all of this reduction, Jason can postpone receiving the benefit.

Age 60: 22 years of service x 1% x $100,000 = $22,000 per year or $1,833 a month. Jason also would be eligible for the FERS supplement, payable until he turns 62, worth an estimated $1,072 a month.

Age 62: 24 years of service x 1.1% x $100,000 = $26,400 per year or $2,200 per month. Plus, Jason would be eligible for a reduced Social Security retirement benefit. Let's say that benefit adds up to $23,400 a year or $1,950 a month. (Notice that the calculation changes from 1.0 percent to 1.1 percent for employees who retire at 62 or later who have at least 20 years of creditable service, including credit for unused sick leave.)

To avoid the substantial reduction for age when you leave federal service under 62, many employees will resign at their MRA, but postpone receiving the benefit to avoid some or all of the age reduction.

It's also worth remembering that people who leave federal service after reaching their MRA with at least 10 years of creditable service are eligible to maintain their health insurance coverage if they apply for an immediate reduced retirement benefit—or are eligible to reenroll when they postpone their retirement benefit.

The specific requirements for an MRA+10 retirement can be found in Chapter 42 of the CSRS and FERS Handbook.

According to a recent CNBC report, one in four workers are considering changing careers to have more flexibility. As you think about your options for continuing or ending your federal career, it's very important to evaluate the financial realities of leaving service early.


By Tammy Flanagan

July 8, 2021

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2021/07/leaving-soon-you-can/183607/

[TSPStrategy] Leaving As Soon As You Can

[TSPStrategy] Leaving As Soon As You Can

Leaving as Soon as You Can

July 8, 2021

Last week, I wrote about leaving government now and retiring later. After more than a year without commuting, and after considering what’s really important to them, some employees are considering leaving federal service early. It’s important for them to weigh all of the possibilities. Among them is a unique option under the Federal Employees Retirement System that allows a worker to retire at their minimum retirement age with as little as 10 years of service.

Before you get too excited, you should know that this option comes with some significant drawbacks that should be considered before making the leap into early retirement. 

To be clear, the MRA+10 option, as it is known, is a reduced retirement, not the standard full FERS retirement. To qualify for an immediate, unreduced retirement, you would need 30 years of service or more if you were between your MRA and age 60, and at least 20 years of service at age 60 or 61. At age 62, only five years of creditable civilian service is required for an immediate unreduced retirement.

Under the MRA+10 option, only 10 years of service is needed to qualify for an immediate retirement if you’re under age 62 (but you must be at least at your MRA at the time of your separation from federal service). To understand the difference between a reduced and an unreduced retirement, let’s look at the following example:

Jason is 57 years old, and has 19 years of creditable service. By working longer, his high-three average salary will increase, which would have a positive impact on the value of his retirement benefit. But for the sake of simplicity, let’s keep the high-three average for all of the scenarios involving his retirement options at $100,000.

Jason will be eligible to retire with an unreduced, immediate retirement at age 60 when he will have over 20 years of service. But Jason is eligible for an immediate, reduced MRA+10 retirement now. He also has a third option that’s worth looking at: waiting until he’s 62, when his FERS retirement benefit will begin to include cost-of-living adjustments and he’s eligible for Social Security benefits.

Here are the calculations that are important for Jason to understand before he commits to retiring early:

Age 57: 19 years of service x 1% x $100,000 = a benefit of $19,000 per year, or $1,583 per month. But If Jason applies for this benefit at 57, it will be reduced by 5% for every year he is under 62. So the cut will be 25%, to $1,187 a month. To avoid some or all of this reduction, Jason can postpone receiving the benefit.

Age 60: 22 years of service x 1% x $100,000 = $22,000 per year or $1,833 a month. Jason also would be eligible for the FERS supplement, payable until he turns 62, worth an estimated $1,072 a month.

Age 62: 24 years of service x 1.1% x $100,000 = $26,400 per year or $2,200 per month. Plus, Jason would be eligible for a reduced Social Security retirement benefit. Let’s say that benefit adds up to $23,400 a year or $1,950 a month. (Notice that the calculation changes from 1.0 percent to 1.1 percent for employees who retire at 62 or later who have at least 20 years of creditable service, including credit for unused sick leave.)

To avoid the substantial reduction for age when you leave federal service under 62, many employees will resign at their MRA, but postpone receiving the benefit to avoid some or all of the age reduction.

It’s also worth remembering that people who leave federal service after reaching their MRA with at least 10 years of creditable service are eligible to maintain their health insurance coverage if they apply for an immediate reduced retirement benefit—or are eligible to reenroll when they postpone their retirement benefit.

The specific requirements for an MRA+10 retirement can be found in Chapter 42 of the CSRS and FERS Handbook.

According to a recent CNBC report, one in four workers are considering changing careers to have more flexibility. As you think about your options for continuing or ending your federal career, it’s very important to evaluate the financial realities of leaving service early.


July 8, 2021

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2021/07/leaving-soon-you-can/183607/

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Re: [TSPStrategy] Leaving Govt Now and Retiring Later

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Terrible retirement system.
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Re: [TSPStrategy] TSP Allocations

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I'm not sure what your concern is about facebook TSP groups but there is a TON of info in those groups, and in the groups' files sections. You don't have to get in there and broadcast your TSP balance. 




On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 12:31 PM <eljosco@mail.com> wrote:
I joined this group to see if folks would share insights regarding the use of the TSP and allocations shortly before and during retirement. I've seen some of that and more discussed in this group, including other retirement issues. For that I've been very thankful for folks sharing this information.

With regards to current allocation, with retirement approaching I diversified for the first time early this year (after 20 yrs). Up until then I've mixed mainly between the C & S funds and it's worked out great. If I were to do it again, I'd repeat the same strategy. I'm just shocked that anyone wouldn't entertain sharing/discussing the TSP on Facebook. I'm sure many will say this group can have privacy issues, but nothing compares to Facebook. I'd rather keep some privacy and passive investment (or any investment) discussion away from the likes of Facebook and some other social media.



On 6/27/21 at 12:50 PM, Mike VanAmburgh wrote:

From: "Mike VanAmburgh" <mjv325@gmail.com>
Date: June 27, 2021
To: TSPStrategy@groups.io
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Subject: Re: [TSPStrategy] TSP Allocations
Not sure how you consider that "overflow". We might be talking about different things. The seasonal trading group that I know of isn't affiliated with Scott and Deb's groups.  

On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 4:37 AM tmelick via groups.io <tmelick=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
the Secondary group is indeed an overflow for the Primary group; there are separate groups for swing traders and for seasonal traders...

-------- Original message --------
From: Mike VanAmburgh <mjv325@gmail.com>
Date: 6/27/21 00:03 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [TSPStrategy] TSP Allocations

Unless I missed something, the secondary group isn't really an "overflow" as someone mentioned before. The main group is targeted more for the buy/hold investor and the 2nd group is for swing trading. For a while, Deb was limiting new subscribers but based on how fast the group is growing in number, I don't think she's denying many requests these days for the main group. Here is the 2nd group (swing traders group). 

To join the main group, you might have to mention someone you know in the group. Feel free to use my name if you want to. 

Make sure you read the rules and stickied post before asking any questions, if/when your join request is approved. 




On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 9:27 AM Tim D <td130@msn.com> wrote:
What is the secondary link to the facebook group please.  Thanks

                                                 

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[TSPStrategy] Thank You, Sarah!

[TSPStrategy] Thank You, Sarah!

I have been a member of this group for years, and my TSP account has prospered abundantly because of it.  Last year, my account grew exponentially because we invested aggressively in the S Fund.  At the beginning of the year when you recommended that the group get out of equities I did, not because I can read charts or anything, but because after all of the gains made in 2020 I simply couldn't fathom the gravy train continuing for much longer.  But I was so close to a personal goal of mine that I did eventually jump back into equities, and I just want to send a special "thank-you" to Sarah for helping me to reach my goal as of July 1st!  

Nobody (except the insiders) knows for sure what's gonna happen as far as the stock market goes.  Again, I just want to thank Sarah for creating this group and for sharing all of her knowledge and recommendations with us.  Enjoy your holiday! 

La-Shawn



La-Shawn

Re: [TSPStrategy] TSP Allocations

Re: [TSPStrategy] TSP Allocations

I joined this group to see if folks would share insights regarding the use of the TSP and allocations shortly before and during retirement. I've seen some of that and more discussed in this group, including other retirement issues. For that I've been very thankful for folks sharing this information.

With regards to current allocation, with retirement approaching I diversified for the first time early this year (after 20 yrs). Up until then I've mixed mainly between the C & S funds and it's worked out great. If I were to do it again, I'd repeat the same strategy. I'm just shocked that anyone wouldn't entertain sharing/discussing the TSP on Facebook. I'm sure many will say this group can have privacy issues, but nothing compares to Facebook. I'd rather keep some privacy and passive investment (or any investment) discussion away from the likes of Facebook and some other social media.



On 6/27/21 at 12:50 PM, Mike VanAmburgh wrote:

From: "Mike VanAmburgh" <mjv325@gmail.com>
Date: June 27, 2021
To: TSPStrategy@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [TSPStrategy] TSP Allocations
Not sure how you consider that "overflow". We might be talking about different things. The seasonal trading group that I know of isn't affiliated with Scott and Deb's groups.  

On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 4:37 AM tmelick via groups.io <tmelick=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
the Secondary group is indeed an overflow for the Primary group; there are separate groups for swing traders and for seasonal traders...

-------- Original message --------
From: Mike VanAmburgh <mjv325@gmail.com>
Date: 6/27/21 00:03 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [TSPStrategy] TSP Allocations

Unless I missed something, the secondary group isn't really an "overflow" as someone mentioned before. The main group is targeted more for the buy/hold investor and the 2nd group is for swing trading. For a while, Deb was limiting new subscribers but based on how fast the group is growing in number, I don't think she's denying many requests these days for the main group. Here is the 2nd group (swing traders group). 

To join the main group, you might have to mention someone you know in the group. Feel free to use my name if you want to. 

Make sure you read the rules and stickied post before asking any questions, if/when your join request is approved. 




On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 9:27 AM Tim D <td130@msn.com> wrote:
What is the secondary link to the facebook group please.  Thanks

                                                 

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[TSPStrategy] Leaving Govt Now and Retiring Later

[TSPStrategy] Leaving Govt Now and Retiring Later


Leaving Government Now and Retiring Later

July 1, 2021

In her swearing-in ceremony, newly confirmed OPM Director Kiran Ahuja, had this to say about the major issues federal employees are facing: “From shaping how and where we work in the future to ensuring everyone is safe while working during this pandemic, and discussions regarding how we rebuild our federal workforce, there’s no shortage of conversations to be had and issues to tackle.”

Based on the increased number of emails I’ve been receiving requesting information about deferred or postponed retirement benefits, it appears that some employees may not be returning to their offices to help with this reshaping. Some are contemplating early retirement or transitioning outside of federal service to finish their careers.

Here’s one typical scenario:

I would like to get some information concerning deferred retirement. I have 20 years of federal service under FERS but I am only 49 years old. I am thinking of retiring now and defer my retirement pay until 57. Will there be a reduction in pay because I am retiring at 49 instead of waiting until 57? What forms do I need to complete to retire now?

Here’s another: 

I'm writing because I am starting to talk with private sector employers and there's a good chance I may pursue early retirement when I reach my minimum retirement age (56 years and 2 months). I currently have around 25 years of federal service. I would pursue the deferred/postponed retirement benefit and reinstate health insurance when I apply at age 60. I plan to use the insurance from whatever firm I join until 60 years old. My question is what do I want to do to make sure this happens before I leave the federal government, including what forms do I want to make sure I get copies of and retain? 

If you are under the Federal Employees Retirement System and considering a move outside of federal service before being eligible to retire with immediate retirement benefits or postponing your retirement, here are some things to know:

  • In order to qualify for a deferred retirement, you will need to complete a minimum of five years of creditable civilian service. Your benefit will begin the first day of the month after you reach age 62. 
  • If you complete at least 10 years of creditable service, including five years of civilian service, then you are eligible for a deferred annuity beginning the first day of the month after you reach your minimum retirement age.
  • Your deferred annuity is based on the length of service and high-three average salary in effect when you separate from federal service. You will be entitled to a benefit computed at 1% of your high-three average salary for each year of service.
  • You will begin to receive cost of living adjustments on your deferred retirement benefits once you are over 62.
  • Former employees who receive a deferred or postponed annuity are not eligible for a retiree annuity supplement.
  • If you have already reached your MRA and you have at least 10 years of service, you can separate but postpone receiving your retirement benefit to avoid an age reduction.
  • Most of your insurance benefits such as health, dental and vision, and life insurance will end when you separate without applying for immediate retirement benefits.

There will be no forms to file until you are ready to apply for your deferred annuity. Your separation will be treated as a resignation, but form SF 50, Notification of Personnel Action, will note that you are entitled to a deferred or postponed retirement in the remarks section of the form.

Form RI 92-19 is used to apply for a deferred or postponed FERS retirement benefit. There are instructions for this form available in companion pamphlet RI 92-19a. You should file the application directly with the Office of Personnel Management 60 days before you want your monthly annuity benefit to begin. 

It’s a good idea to request a retirement estimate for a deferred or postponed retirement from your agency’s human resources office before leaving federal service. This will give you an idea of the value of this benefit at the time you are entitled to receive it. 

If you are married when your annuity begins, it will be computed with a reduction to provide a maximum survivor annuity (50 percent of your unreduced annuity) for your spouse upon your death. You can choose to provide a partial survivor annuity (25 percent of your unreduced annuity) or no survivor annuity; however, you must get your spouse's consent.

If you separate from federal service, but die before receiving your deferred or postponed retirement, there would be a survivor annuity payable to your spouse if they were married to you at the time of your separation and you had 10 or more years of creditable service (and did not apply for a refund of your retirement contributions). Your surviving spouse may elect to receive a lump-sum payment of your retirement contributions in lieu of a survivor annuity.

You should keep personal copies of certain documents filed in your electronic Official Personnel Folder, because you will lose immediate access to this folder after your separation. These include:

  • FERS Designation of Beneficiary Form (SF 3102)
  • SF-50 forms showing appointments into federal service, prior separations from federal service, changes in your work schedule, changes in your retirement coverage, and pay changes over the last (or highest) three years of service, because they will be used to compute your high-three average salary for your future retirement benefit.
  • FEGLI forms if you are retiring with an immediate retirement, including SF 2817 (Life Insurance Election) and SF 2823 (Designation of Beneficiary).
  • SF 2809 FEHBP election forms.

If you are considering employment related to your government work or possibly returning to federal service later on, you may want to maintain information regarding training, duty stations, security clearances, pay, and positions that were held during your career. 

The pandemic has upended our lives and made us think about our priorities. There is a big difference between retiring with an immediate, unreduced, retirement based on a full career of federal service versus a reduced or postponed deferred retirement. So be sure to think it through before you make the leap out of government.


July 1, 2021

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2021/07/leaving-government-now-and-retiring-later/183027/

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