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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 09:44 AM, Thomas Wellock wrote:
2) Depending on the state you live in, liability protection of your retirement funds can be (not always) superior in the TSP.
State?  I thought TSP funds or any 401K or 403B funds were protected from lawsuits and IRAs were not.  Is that true? and what are the state differences?
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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

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We paused our yearly RMD until December as the C fund (S&P 500) was doing very nicely in 2024 and took lump withdrawal in December rather than April 2025

You can login and withdraw whatever you wish, and pay tax on that amount.

I am somewhat concerned about laws being rewritten or plain "money grabs" by the incoming kleptocracy, but withdraw ?where? to?
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[TSPStrategy] Biden to close federal agencies Jan. 9 for Carter day of mourning

[TSPStrategy] Biden to close federal agencies Jan. 9 for Carter day of mourning

https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/12/biden-declares-day-mourning-carter-will-close-federal-agencies/401900/

Biden to close federal agencies Jan. 9 for Carter day of mourning

The White House unveiled an executive order Monday giving federal employees Jan. 9 off in recognition of the death of the 39th president.

President Biden issued an executive order on Monday to close federal agencies and offices next month in recognition of former President Jimmy Carter, who died Sunday at 100 in his home in Plains, Georgia. 

Much like the executive order Biden signed on Dec. 19 giving federal employees a day off for Christmas Eve, the measure covers all executive departments and agencies, except employees in positions of "national security, defense, or other public need."

Carter, who oversaw the most significant reform of the federal civil service in the last 50 years during his single term in office, was the longest living president in U.S. history. 

Despite notable accomplishments as president, his time out of the White House may have arguably eclipsed his tenure as chief executive, including decades of humanitarian work leading to the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.  

The day off for federal employees follows recent precedent, as President Trump similarly closed agencies when President George H.W. Bush died in 2018. 

In accompanying guidance, Office of Personnel Management acting Director Rob Shriver said all federal employees would be excused from duty Jan. 9 "except those who, in the judgment of the head of the agency, cannot be excused for reasons of national security, defense, or other essential public business." 

The day off applies to federal employees nationwide and will be treated like a holiday for purposes of pay and leave, the memorandum said. Employees who were already scheduled to take leave on Jan. 9 will not be charged that time off. Employees who weren't scheduled to work on Wednesday will receive an "in lieu of" holiday on their preceding workday. Those who are required to work for security reasons and are normally entitled to holiday premium pay will receive that pay.

Biden and First Lady Jill Biden called Carter a "dear friend." 

"With his compassion and moral clarity, he worked to eradicate disease, forge peace, advance civil rights and human rights, promote free and fair elections, house the homeless, and always advocate for the least among us. He saved, lifted, and changed the lives of people all across the globe," the Bidens said. 

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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

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You can login to www.tsp.gov and change your withdraws including the amount of taxes withheld.


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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

If you want to change your monthly withdraw amount, you have to stop/delete your existing w/d first.  Then it will let you start over and do a new w/d.  At that point, they let you choose between lifetime calculation amount or an amount you decide yourself.

 

Bruce

 

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Same problem as me. Did you leave your TSP at C or G fund? TSP is only letting me withdraw amount base on their life time calculation. How would they now how long I'm gonna live?



On Dec 30, 2024, at 12:52PM, don@meares.us wrote:



The only thing I don't like is the lack of flexibility of withdrawals.  I retired in 2006 and have been withdrawing monthly for at least a decade.   My TSP balance is still higher than when I retired.  That's good. I started by asking for 1,000 a month.  TSP sends me around 770.00.  It's not tax withholding, it's calculations on life span.  I don't know why that changed and can find nothing on the web site that easily allows me to increase the amount.  
I love everything else I have encountered and think it's the best thing down for government employees.

 

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

The average US male lives to about 85 years of age. 
The average US female lives to about 90 years of age. 
If you're fortunate enough reach age 90, you should plan on enough income for at least another five years. 
Life Expectancy Calculator:
 https://www.ssa.gov/oact/population/longevity.html
 
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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

 Withdrawals calculated from life expectancy is the best way to ensure you have a lifetime of income. TSP does this for you automatically.
 You can still make changes to your investments during the year and grow your balance. Your withdrawals will be recalculated at the end of the year based on your new balance and your age. Your income may change slightly, but you'll always have an income from your TSP. 
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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Same problem as me. Did you leave your TSP at C or G fund? TSP is only letting me withdraw amount base on their life time calculation. How would they now how long I'm gonna live?

On Dec 30, 2024, at 12:52 PM, don@meares.us wrote:


The only thing I don't like is the lack of flexibility of withdrawals.  I retired in 2006 and have been withdrawing monthly for at least a decade.   My TSP balance is still higher than when I retired.  That's good. I started by asking for 1,000 a month.  TSP sends me around 770.00.  It's not tax withholding, it's calculations on life span.  I don't know why that changed and can find nothing on the web site that easily allows me to increase the amount.  
I love everything else I have encountered and think it's the best thing down for government employees.
 
Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

The only thing I don't like is the lack of flexibility of withdrawals.  I retired in 2006 and have been withdrawing monthly for at least a decade.   My TSP balance is still higher than when I retired.  That's good. I started by asking for 1,000 a month.  TSP sends me around 770.00.  It's not tax withholding, it's calculations on life span.  I don't know why that changed and can find nothing on the web site that easily allows me to increase the amount.  
I love everything else I have encountered and think it's the best thing down for government employees.
 
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[TSPStrategy] Have a TSP Account? Know the Rules for Your Heirs

[TSPStrategy] Have a TSP Account? Know the Rules for Your Heirs

Thanks to being cited in a recent conversation, I have copied the article below about rules for TSP heirs.  It's a new site, to me, and lots of other TSP information there!

Thanks  
Dave


Have a TSP Account? Know the Rules for Your Heirs

Have a TSP Account? Know the Rules for Your Heirsdesigner491/Getty Images

(This article originally appeared in the September 2024 issue of Military Officer, a magazine available to all MOAA Premium and Life members. Learn more about the magazine here; learn more about joining MOAA here.)

 

For participants in the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP), it's important to understand how assets in the plan pass upon death so there are no surprises — or unintended consequences — for loved ones.

 

How Beneficiary Designations Work

It's vitally important to assign a beneficiary for your TSP account (and any other retirement accounts). Death benefits are based on beneficiary designations. Wills, divorce agreements, prenuptial arrangements, and court orders do not apply.

 

If there is no beneficiary designation and you die with a balance in your TSP account, the account will be distributed according to the following order of precedence, which is required by law: spouse, then child or children equally (and any share due a deceased child divided equally among that child's descendants), then parents equally or surviving parent, then the appointed executor of your estate.

 

If none of the above exist, then the account is distributed to your next of kin who is entitled to your estate under the laws of the state you reside in at time of death.

 

[RELATED: Understanding the Thrift Savings Plan Withdrawal Process]

 

You can designate up to 20 beneficiaries on your account, and they can be persons, a trust, a corporation, an estate, or a charitable organization.

 

Death Benefits

If a spouse is the beneficiary of an account, the TSP establishes a beneficiary participant account in the spouse's name. The money in the account will be invested exactly the same way as it was in the deceased person's account except for any money invested in the mutual fund window — that will be reinvested in TSP funds based on the investment elections on file.

 

The spouse beneficiary can keep the balance in their TSP beneficiary account if they wish.

 

[MEMBER BENEFIT: Save on Estate Planning With Everplans]

 

If the beneficiary on a TSP account is not a spouse, they can't have a beneficiary participant account. The TSP will establish a temporary account for the non-spouse beneficiary. Payment from this account will be made directly to the non-spouse beneficiary or to an inherited individual retirement account (IRA).

 

Tax Implications

Traditional accounts that are disbursed will be subject to federal income tax. Roth accounts are not subject to federal income tax, but earnings may be if less than five years have passed since the deceased participant made their first contribution.

 

Spouse beneficiaries can defer potential tax liability by keeping the funds in their beneficiary participant account or by rolling the funds into an IRA or an eligible employer plan.

 

Non-spouse beneficiaries can defer potential taxes by rolling their TSP payment directly into an inherited IRA. But they must act quickly — non-spouse beneficiaries have 90 days to request payment from their temporary TSP account. If they don't, the TSP will automatically cash out the account and send a check. A death benefit paid out directly in this way may not be rolled over to an IRA.

 

[RELATED: Prepare Your Heirs: 5 Tips for Passing on Retirement Accounts]


Spouse Beneficiaries May Want to Move the Money

If a spouse who has a beneficiary account dies, their beneficiary or beneficiaries cannot continue to maintain the account in the TSP. Death benefit payments must be paid directly to the beneficiary(ies).

 

According to the TSP Death Plan Benefits bulletin 14-4, "These payments are subject to certain tax restrictions and cannot be transferred or rolled over into an IRA or eligible employer plan. In addition, these payments will be fully taxable in the year the beneficiary(ies) receives them. Any payments from tax-exempt money are not subject to taxes when distributed."

 

This is one reason why some financial planners advise against keeping spousal beneficiary accounts.

 

"I generally recommend that spousal beneficiaries of TSP accounts roll them over to either an inherited spousal IRA or into their own IRA. This allows for the next line of beneficiaries to be able to have the longer terms for withdrawal, which are currently up to 10 years under the SECURE Act. This can be a major tax impact savings to the next line of beneficiaries," said MOAA Premium member Daniel Kopp, CFP®, of Wise Stewardship Financial Planning, whose firm often helps military survivors navigate their benefits.

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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Thank you for your comprehensive comments!

On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 7:17 AM Thomas Wellock via groups.io <thomas.wellock=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Regarding the original question: the only thing the feds can do to your TSP is suspend payments to your G fund during a debt ceiling fight, but they would be restored after it was over. With Congress and the presidency under one-party control, it seems unlikely that we will see debt ceiling fights in the near future. 

There are good reasons to roll money out of the TSP, but they haven't been mentioned yet. Rolling your money from the Blackrock-managed TSP to Vanguard, Schwab, or Fidelity would simply trade one Wall Street Komizar for another. And, if you are rolling your money out of the TSP to hand over to an advisor who will charge you an annual management fee, you will almost certainly underperform what your money would have earned in the TSP over a full retirement. After fees, index funds outperform active management about 95% of the time over 20 years or more. The TSP is a stodgy but safe place to keep your money.

Right now, it is true that you can get a better return in some money market funds than the G fund (my Vanguard MM is), but that is likely a temporary condition--a result of the inverted yield curve. The Fed has kept short-term rates high for a while now. If it lowers rates in the coming years, as expected, money markets will return to their traditional underperformance of the G fund. 



On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 11:58 PM Debbie Keatley via groups.io <dannkeatley=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
How's that? 



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Date: 12/22/24 9:48 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

I was more worried about the Biden administration trashing the country.  


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I am thinking perhaps it would be wise to roll over my TSP account to my Schwab IRA so that the government cannot raid my TSP money.

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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

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Thank you for the clarification! One of my coworkers widows is facing this right now. 
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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Yes...
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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

It isn't a contradiction, there are two different scenarios being discussed:

(1) If a retired federal employee passes away and there is no spousal beneficiary, the children or next of kin would have 90 days to rollover the TSP to an inherited IRA. If not done in 90 days, the whole TSP would be taken out as taxable income in a single year. The money moved to an inherited IRA, however, has to be taken out within 10 years, thus lowering the tax hit.

(2) If the spouse of a deceased federal employee has inherited his/her TSP and subsequently passes away, the children who inherit the spousal TSP have to take the whole account as a distribution in a single tax year. That's why you see in the last section of the article that financial advisors recommend spousal beneficiaries move TSPs to IRAs. See Section II.1.E of this TSP bulletin: https://www.tsp.gov/bulletins/14-4/


On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 11:18 AM monrodian via groups.io <monrodian=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
This should probably be moved  to another thread but:
This article seems to contradict itself. In one sentence it states the kids have 90 days to transfer it to an inherited IRA, in another it says it cannot be rolled over.

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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

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This should probably be moved  to another thread but:
This article seems to contradict itself. In one sentence it states the kids have 90 days to transfer it to an inherited IRA, in another it says it cannot be rolled over.
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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Pretty sure if my account is up 50% in 2 years in the C fund, taxes are covered for the kids lol.


Bh


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Date: 12/26/24 6:19 PM (GMT-06:00)
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On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 09:44 AM, Thomas Wellock wrote:
the TSP is a terrible place to keep you money if the next in line are your kids--a large tax hit might have to be taken by them
Why is it any different than other 403b or IRA accounts?  I thought they were all treated the same by the IRS.
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On Thu, Dec 26, 2024, 7:19 PM DAVESyl via groups.io <DAVESyl=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 09:44 AM, Thomas Wellock wrote:
the TSP is a terrible place to keep you money if the next in line are your kids--a large tax hit might have to be taken by them
Why is it any different than other 403b or IRA accounts?  I thought they were all treated the same by the IRS.

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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

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On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 09:44 AM, Thomas Wellock wrote:
the TSP is a terrible place to keep you money if the next in line are your kids--a large tax hit might have to be taken by them
Why is it any different than other 403b or IRA accounts?  I thought they were all treated the same by the IRS.
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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

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The expenses for the index funds of the TSP, Vanguard, Fidelity, and Schwab are now so low that the minor differences can only be seen with a magnifying glass. And some differences in performance between funds are because of their different holdings (C is an S&P 500 fund, FZROX aims to be a total market fund), not because of the particular skill of Blackrock vs Fidelity. 

I think the key factors in the decision to hold or not hold funds outside of the TSP lie elsewhere. Here are three:

1) It used to be that you could not do Roth conversions within the TSP. So, you had to rollover some of the TSP to an IRA to do it. That will change in 2026 when conversions will be allowed within the TSP. So, this issue is probably now a wash. 
2) Depending on the state you live in, liability protection of your retirement funds can be (not always) superior in the TSP.
3) Inheritance of your funds to your spouse is not a big deal in the TSP, but the TSP is a terrible place to keep you money if the next in line are your kids--a large tax hit might have to be taken by them. 

Because of the last one, I plan to at least reduce the size of my TSP. I don't want my spouse to have to deal with it. 

On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 8:56 AM Dave in Dallas via groups.io <datruedave+GroupsIO=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Fidelity Zero Total Fund Index (FZROX) has been doing well for me without any fees at all. Up 34.51% over the past year, compared to 33.84% for the C fund.  Interesting that there's such a big difference in the return percentage for the past 12 months compared to 2024 YTD.  I guess the market moved up a lot the last week of 2023?  I don't normally pay attention to stuff like that.
 
FZROX:
2024 27.74%
2023 26.21%


Index funds are all going to perform substantially the same if they're tracking the same stocks.  Zero fee options are available at Fidelity and Vanguard.  Other places may have them now, too.
 
 
On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 01:20 PM, Jim Budinger wrote:

Great, in concept. So, which ETFs that you actually invested in this year are beating the 28% return of the TSP C Fund so far, and beat the 26% return last year as well?

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Fidelity Zero Total Fund Index (FZROX) has been doing well for me without any fees at all. Up 34.51% over the past year, compared to 33.84% for the C fund.  Interesting that there's such a big difference in the return percentage for the past 12 months compared to 2024 YTD.  I guess the market moved up a lot the last week of 2023?  I don't normally pay attention to stuff like that.
 
FZROX:
2024           
        27.74%
2023 26.21%


Index funds are all going to perform substantially the same if they're tracking the same stocks.  Zero fee options are available at Fidelity and Vanguard.  Other places may have them now, too.
 
 
On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 01:20 PM, Jim Budinger wrote:

Great, in concept. So, which ETFs that you actually invested in this year are beating the 28% return of the TSP C Fund so far, and beat the 26% return last year as well?

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Fidelity Zero Total Fund Index (FZROX) has been doing well for me without any fees at all. Up 34.51% over the past year, compared to 33.84% for the C fund.  Interesting that there's such a big difference in the return percentage for the past 12 months compared to 2024 YTD.  I guess the market moved up a lot the last week of 2023?  I don't normally pay attention to stuff like that.
 
FZROX:
2024 27.74%
2023 26.21%


Index funds are all going to perform substantially the same if they're tracking the same stocks.  Zero fee options are available at Fidelity and Vanguard.  Other places may have them now, too.
 
 
On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 01:20 PM, Jim Budinger wrote:

Great, in concept. So, which ETFs that you actually invested in this year are beating the 28% return of the TSP C Fund so far, and beat the 26% return last year as well?

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Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

I currently invest heavily in both the Vanguard VOO (0.03% Exp ratio) and the Schwab SCHG (0.04% Exp ratio) both are lower than the C fund.  The VOO is the S&P500 for all intents and purposes.  SCHG is a little more aggressive and leaning toward largest of the S&P caps.




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Great, in concept. So, which ETFs that you actually invested in this year are beating the 28% return of the TSP C Fund so far, and beat the 26% return last year as well?


On Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 2:02 PM Chris Manning via groups.io <CLManning=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
The fees in the TSP are NOT any less than most ETFs following the same indexes, and many times are more. Please don't blindly buy into the statement that TSP is the least expensive place to keep retirement investments 

From: TSPStrategy@groups.io <TSPStrategy@groups.io> on behalf of Ardon Kharpuri Mukhim via groups.io <akharpuri=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2024 12:29:48 PM
To: TSPStrategy@groups.io <TSPStrategy@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?
 
Access to many more ETFs is a big reason to roll out of TSP. You don't need active management.


On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 8:19 AM, Nelson Garcia via groups.io
<it2garcia=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you, I kept mine in TSP C and S than transferring it to my fidelity IRA because of the  fidelity high service management fees plus the taxes that I will be paying for the mandatory withdrawal when the time comes for the TSP

On Dec 23, 2024, at 5:09 AM, Jim Budinger via groups.io <jmbud2=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:



Excellent points, Thomas. Thanks. Its hard for professional funds managers to beat the index funds, but they never miss out on charging higher fees than the TSP!


On Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 7:17 AM Thomas Wellock via groups.io <thomas.wellock=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Regarding the original question: the only thing the feds can do to your TSP is suspend payments to your G fund during a debt ceiling fight, but they would be restored after it was over. With Congress and the presidency under one-party control, it seems unlikely that we will see debt ceiling fights in the near future. 

There are good reasons to roll money out of the TSP, but they haven't been mentioned yet. Rolling your money from the Blackrock-managed TSP to Vanguard, Schwab, or Fidelity would simply trade one Wall Street Komizar for another. And, if you are rolling your money out of the TSP to hand over to an advisor who will charge you an annual management fee, you will almost certainly underperform what your money would have earned in the TSP over a full retirement. After fees, index funds outperform active management about 95% of the time over 20 years or more. The TSP is a stodgy but safe place to keep your money.

Right now, it is true that you can get a better return in some money market funds than the G fund (my Vanguard MM is), but that is likely a temporary condition--a result of the inverted yield curve. The Fed has kept short-term rates high for a while now. If it lowers rates in the coming years, as expected, money markets will return to their traditional underperformance of the G fund. 



On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 11:58 PM Debbie Keatley via groups.io <dannkeatley=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
How's that? 



Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device


-------- Original message --------
From: "Thom J via groups.io" <akthom=hotmail.com@groups.io>
Date: 12/22/24 9:48 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

I was more worried about the Biden administration trashing the country.  


From: TSPStrategy@groups.io <TSPStrategy@groups.io> on behalf of Herb Black via groups.io <blackht71=gmail.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2024 7:31 AM
To: TSPStrategy@groups.io <TSPStrategy@groups.io>
Subject: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?
 
I am thinking perhaps it would be wise to roll over my TSP account to my Schwab IRA so that the government cannot raid my TSP money.

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

Great, in concept. So, which ETFs that you actually invested in this year are beating the 28% return of the TSP C Fund so far, and beat the 26% return last year as well?


On Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 2:02 PM Chris Manning via groups.io <CLManning=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
The fees in the TSP are NOT any less than most ETFs following the same indexes, and many times are more. Please don't blindly buy into the statement that TSP is the least expensive place to keep retirement investments 

From: TSPStrategy@groups.io <TSPStrategy@groups.io> on behalf of Ardon Kharpuri Mukhim via groups.io <akharpuri=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2024 12:29:48 PM
To: TSPStrategy@groups.io <TSPStrategy@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?
 
Access to many more ETFs is a big reason to roll out of TSP. You don't need active management.


On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 8:19 AM, Nelson Garcia via groups.io
<it2garcia=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you, I kept mine in TSP C and S than transferring it to my fidelity IRA because of the  fidelity high service management fees plus the taxes that I will be paying for the mandatory withdrawal when the time comes for the TSP

On Dec 23, 2024, at 5:09 AM, Jim Budinger via groups.io <jmbud2=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:



Excellent points, Thomas. Thanks. Its hard for professional funds managers to beat the index funds, but they never miss out on charging higher fees than the TSP!


On Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 7:17 AM Thomas Wellock via groups.io <thomas.wellock=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Regarding the original question: the only thing the feds can do to your TSP is suspend payments to your G fund during a debt ceiling fight, but they would be restored after it was over. With Congress and the presidency under one-party control, it seems unlikely that we will see debt ceiling fights in the near future. 

There are good reasons to roll money out of the TSP, but they haven't been mentioned yet. Rolling your money from the Blackrock-managed TSP to Vanguard, Schwab, or Fidelity would simply trade one Wall Street Komizar for another. And, if you are rolling your money out of the TSP to hand over to an advisor who will charge you an annual management fee, you will almost certainly underperform what your money would have earned in the TSP over a full retirement. After fees, index funds outperform active management about 95% of the time over 20 years or more. The TSP is a stodgy but safe place to keep your money.

Right now, it is true that you can get a better return in some money market funds than the G fund (my Vanguard MM is), but that is likely a temporary condition--a result of the inverted yield curve. The Fed has kept short-term rates high for a while now. If it lowers rates in the coming years, as expected, money markets will return to their traditional underperformance of the G fund. 



On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 11:58 PM Debbie Keatley via groups.io <dannkeatley=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
How's that? 



Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device


-------- Original message --------
From: "Thom J via groups.io" <akthom=hotmail.com@groups.io>
Date: 12/22/24 9:48 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?

I was more worried about the Biden administration trashing the country.  


From: TSPStrategy@groups.io <TSPStrategy@groups.io> on behalf of Herb Black via groups.io <blackht71=gmail.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2024 7:31 AM
To: TSPStrategy@groups.io <TSPStrategy@groups.io>
Subject: [TSPStrategy] Is anybody worried about the new administration raiding our TSP accounts?
 
I am thinking perhaps it would be wise to roll over my TSP account to my Schwab IRA so that the government cannot raid my TSP money.

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